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Post by matt on Nov 14, 2016 5:33:43 GMT
Not a plug for this company...it's just that in Australia there are no Realtraps...but they do have a Primacoustic option in my city.
I was thinking of the London 10 room kit and 4 48x24x3" panels for a room about 12x10 foot, real wood flooring, normal bedroom dry wall.
Is this a reasonable option?
Thanks
I enjoy Ethan's youtube videos and thoughts very much
Cheers.
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Post by rock on Nov 14, 2016 13:21:40 GMT
They should be fine. If you can mount them 2" away from the wall, so much the better. Maybe use 2" blocks of wood behind the "Surface impaler". Or a 3/4" thick block attached to the wall and then a 1 1/2" block screwed to the 3/4" block. That way, you don't need such a long screw to go through a 2" block + drywall into the stud. Just some ideas. www.primacoustic.com/london-10/1" panels are kinda thin and won't do much at all for bass so if it's a better deal with them good but if you can get all 2" for the same proportionally cost wise OK. On that note, 4" would be even better at LF but anything will help. I found these images and for RFZ 2 or 3 columns should be placed together. I see they offer cloud absorbers, that's good too centered on a point between the speakers and listening position. The products and information look good but in general, thicker + coverage are the keys. Even though the wall, ceiling absorbers are primarily there for mid and hi reflections, when using thicker absorbers mounted off the wall, you get the bonus of more LF absorption for less modal peaks, nulls and ringing. Cheers, Rock
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Post by matt on Nov 14, 2016 22:38:52 GMT
Thanks rock.
I thought they were a bit thin...but the build quality sounds reasonable. Not a whole lot of 'kit' options where I live. I may get some of the Primacoustic stuff and build my own 4" panels to go with the London 10.
I've never had a treated room in any way shape or form before...so I'm hoping to see some enhancement
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Post by rock on Nov 15, 2016 2:29:22 GMT
The Primacoustic site has a graph of cost VS effect and looks like they suggest the point of diminishing returns is about +25% to 50% or something like that. It's somewhat cheaper to DIY but it is a lot of work especially if you want it to look great. As long as you study and apply the fundamentals, you'll hear improvements.
One thing you can do is the measure your room before, during and after so you can document your progress. REW is free software so check it out. Ethan has info and links to the site for download.
Cheers, Rock
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Post by matt on Nov 15, 2016 7:05:52 GMT
I will definitely measure the room before, during and after. I'll aim to mount everything with a gap between wall and panel.
Can you explain what the +25% TO 50% diminishing returns details mean? Sorry I don't understand what it means in the case of acoustic traps...
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Post by rock on Nov 15, 2016 13:34:07 GMT
www.primacoustic.com/broadway-panels/science/In general "The Point of Diminishing Returns" means that after a certain point, adding more (of whatever it is) will have an increasingly lesser (diminishing) effect on the desired outcome (return). Scroll down about halfway to "Determining the coverage". It says at the end "start with 10 to 20%" (surface area coverage). Sorry, when I wrote 25 to 50 I was not looking at the graph but trying to recall what I remembered seeing. Actually, I could not find the exact page and graph but the link I'm sending should give you the main idea. I have to admit, I did not take the time to read their entire site but since you are a prospective customer, it probably would be a good idea if you did. If you do read all the details, you should come across the graph I saw (but could not find again) indicating coverage cost VS performance. Cheers, Rock
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Post by matt on Nov 16, 2016 0:48:03 GMT
Yes I should read all the details carefully and judge for myself how transparent and genuine the information appears to be
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Post by Ethan Winer on Nov 16, 2016 17:49:55 GMT
Just to be clear, RealTraps sells all over the world direct, and we also have one dealer in Australia. But shipping is expensive, and other products maybe be available there for less.
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Post by matt on Nov 17, 2016 0:03:11 GMT
Oh really? I didn't know there was a dealer in Australia. I'll have to check that out. I'm in Brisbane. I'd say the dealer is in Sydney or Melbourne or something.
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