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Post by Hexspa on Mar 4, 2016 23:44:19 GMT
Here are pics of Fuzz Measure from a few years ago. I've since elevated my desk about 18" so the response has likely changed. Anyway I just wanted to share - oh and I pointed the mic (ECM8000) toward the (center) of the speakers which is wrong I know. I plan on remeasuring my room before I start mixing on my EP; probably in a few weeks or so. Any advice is welcome, of course. Attachments:
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Post by Ethan Winer on Mar 5, 2016 18:12:47 GMT
How big is the room? What treatment do you have now? What can you add?
--Ethan
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 6, 2016 1:52:25 GMT
How big is the room? What treatment do you have now? What can you add? --Ethan Well, including the hallways and attached kitchen I'm over 2500 ft3. I can post the exact dimensions or a drawing later. I'm pretty taxed on treatment but currently I have 12 4" panels, 10 2" panels and 2 6" panels made of 8lb/ft mineral wool. My ceiling, side, front and (partial) rear reflection points are covered. I've attached two pictures - the front (behind the speakers) and left side (semi-glamour shot) with the blue panel on my right side being a 6". You can also see the hallway there above (behind) the keyboard. Conceivably I could build more treatment. I could possibly add 7 or more bass traps. For clarity, the patterned one and all the blue ones are 4" with the exception of two of them which are 6". The red ones are 2". I have some 2" laying on top of some 4" to make 6" panels in the corners since that gave me better measurements. Also, all of my 2" panels are spaced 1" off the wall. Naturally my thicker panels are across corners. I should mention that the main purpose of this room has been critical listening, production, recording and mixing in that order. Of course I want the best room possible but I'm not recording anything delicate for the most part; usually vocals or the occasional acoustic guitar (rarely). Point being I would just like to be able to mix my own stuff. That would be the most demanding application. Since I'm relatively new to audio and music production I'm not sure I can also expect to master in here. I'm mostly making computer rock/electronic music. This might sound silly but I was afraid of over-treating my room. If you think adding more panels might help then I'm in but only if the result justifies the cost in labor and materials. At night I can get a minimal reading of around 50dB on my radio shack meter C weighted, slow ambient noise. Therefore during the day it's much louder. By no means is this an ideal work environment. That being said it's all I have for now. Any education I get here will only pay dividends later though I suppose. 99% of the time I'm listening on my mix cube which is very band-limited as you surely know. It's just that when it comes time to mix I need to have that bass correct. Attachments:
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 6, 2016 14:54:30 GMT
This was fun. The red pillows (panels) are again 2", the dark blue are 4" and the light blue are 6" with the exception of the two patterned ones hidden at the front which are also 4" but mounted across the wall/ceiling corner. The red/blue combos are where I laid a 2" across a 4". There's 1 6" across my rear left corner and another pattered 4" across my right front wall. The width of the red panels are to indicate orientation. My ceiling is 95" and the hall ceiling is 84". The brown thing is my subwoofer, green are the speakers and I'm standing on a reflective, soft floor mat. Time to get coffee. Attachments:
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Post by Ethan Winer on Mar 6, 2016 16:42:04 GMT
That all looks fine, and having a "stepped" rear wall helps the LF response by breaking up those reflections. As usual, the solution is always more bass traps. --Ethan
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 6, 2016 18:28:28 GMT
That all looks fine, and having a "stepped" rear wall helps the LF response by breaking up those reflections. As usual, the solution is always more bass traps. --Ethan Do you think it would be better to be facing toward the front right corner for a flying V type layout? That would give me non-parallel side walls and more symmetry. I'm aligned like this because I read it's better to face down the long way of your room.
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 7, 2016 15:33:42 GMT
Hey Ethan, do you think it'd be a good idea to suspend my RFZ panels closer to my speakers to create a "listening box'? Sort of like a portable vocal booth but for my nearfields.
In the same vein, my cloud absorber is about a foot off the ceiling as opposed to spaced an inch or so. I know spacing affects the effectiveness of the absorber but I didn't see anything in your articles about greater spacing for the thinner panels.
Thanks,
Michael
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 7, 2016 15:52:24 GMT
So what I'm understanding is that my trap placement isn't ideal. I should get more into the trihedral corners.
Would it be best to align the traps lengthwise in the trihedral corners or "sideways" across them, allowing some space?
Lastly, should I be prioritizing for the front and rear corners of the room (as opposed to the sides) for bass trapping? I have a few traps on the sides that I'm thinking can be more effectively placed.
Or do I need to buy your book at this point cause now I'm feeling lost.
Thanks.
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 7, 2016 18:54:16 GMT
So I just reread your articles. It would seem that orienting my desk to command the flying V shape would improve symmetry. It also says to give as much gap as is practical for your panels so it would make sense that suspending my treatment would be beneficial.
I'm just curious whether you advise reorienting the room, suspending RFZ panels and possibly repositioning my treatment. If I had angled side walls would I even need left/right absorption?
Thanks
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 7, 2016 19:02:41 GMT
I just realized my room is square
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Post by Ethan Winer on Mar 7, 2016 21:04:11 GMT
LOL, so many questions, so little time. Yes, if you bought my book I'm pretty sure all of this is explained. But I'm glad to help even if you don't buy my book. Don't set up facing a corner. The theoretically ideal air gap is equal to the panel thickness. So if an RFZ panel is 1 inch thick, a 1-inch gap is perfect. But you can have an even larger gap and still benefit, especially if the panels are 3-6 inches thick. So a 4-inch panel can be 8-12 inches away and absorb even lower than when 4 inches away. Your room is not square since it has that extra area in the back. --Ethan
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 8, 2016 2:34:03 GMT
LOL, so many questions, so little time. Yes, if you bought my book I'm pretty sure all of this is explained. But I'm glad to help even if you don't buy my book. Don't set up facing a corner. The theoretically ideal air gap is equal to the panel thickness. So if an RFZ panel is 1 inch thick, a 1-inch gap is perfect. But you can have an even larger gap and still benefit, especially if the panels are 3-6 inches thick. So a 4-inch panel can be 8-12 inches away and absorb even lower than when 4 inches away. Your room is not square since it has that extra area in the back. --Ethan I appreciate it. I do intend to read it.
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