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Post by Anthony on Feb 19, 2018 8:14:07 GMT
Hey Ethan, I’ve been watching and reading much of your content to try to learn as much about acoustic treatment as possible. I came across an interesting thought: would the outdoors present a reflection free zone at all similar to a treated room? If I took my Zeppelin Wireless speaker and placed it outside, would I hear a significant improvement in quality since there would be no reflections (I have a large grass backyard)?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 14:13:13 GMT
Hey Ethan, I’ve been watching and reading much of your content to try to learn as much about acoustic treatment as possible. I came across an interesting thought: would the outdoors present a reflection free zone at all similar to a treated room? If I took my Zeppelin Wireless speaker and placed it outside, would I hear a significant improvement in quality since there would be no reflections (I have a large grass backyard)? There will be some reflections from the ground, buildings etc. You have to be in a very very large field up in 50ft to really have no reflections. But yes, that speaker will sound better at your backyard. Go ahead and try.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 19, 2018 17:07:39 GMT
Hey Ethan, I’ve been watching and reading much of your content to try to learn as much about acoustic treatment as possible. I came across an interesting thought: would the outdoors present a reflection free zone at all similar to a treated room? If I took my Zeppelin Wireless speaker and placed it outside, would I hear a significant improvement in quality since there would be no reflections (I have a large grass backyard)? There will be some reflections from the ground, buildings etc. You have to be in a very very large field up in 50ft to really have no reflections. But yes, that speaker will sound better at your backyard. Go ahead and try. My field is about an acre, so maybe I’ll at least be close to no reflections! I’ll give it a shot; thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:08:02 GMT
There will be some reflections from the ground, buildings etc. You have to be in a very very large field up in 50ft to really have no reflections. But yes, that speaker will sound better at your backyard. Go ahead and try. My field is about an acre, so maybe I’ll at least be close to no reflections! I’ll give it a shot; thank you! That will be almost like no reflections
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 20, 2018 6:43:03 GMT
This is true and many recordings, including some off Blood Sugar Sex Magik, have been done in natural environments.
The disadvantages are ambient noise, like animals and airplanes, as well as lack of shelter from the elements. Additionally, with fewer surfaces, room acoustics are non-existent so you will not get any reverb.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 13:57:30 GMT
This is true and many recordings, including some off Blood Sugar Sex Magik, have been done in natural environments. The disadvantages are ambient noise, like animals and airplanes, as well as lack of shelter from the elements. Additionally, with fewer surfaces, room acoustics are non-existent so you will not get any reverb. Can you give me a list (if you know) recordings/specific songs that are recorded outdoors. Thanks
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Post by Anthony on Feb 20, 2018 14:35:29 GMT
This is true and many recordings, including some off Blood Sugar Sex Magik, have been done in natural environments. The disadvantages are ambient noise, like animals and airplanes, as well as lack of shelter from the elements. Additionally, with fewer surfaces, room acoustics are non-existent so you will not get any reverb. So some room acoustics are desirable then? I thought the goal was to eliminate room tone as much as possible.
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 21, 2018 8:25:42 GMT
This is true and many recordings, including some off Blood Sugar Sex Magik, have been done in natural environments. The disadvantages are ambient noise, like animals and airplanes, as well as lack of shelter from the elements. Additionally, with fewer surfaces, room acoustics are non-existent so you will not get any reverb. Can you give me a list (if you know) recordings/specific songs that are recorded outdoors. Thanks No, pasim, I'm sorry but I can't remember. I think it's shown in the documentary Funky Monks. It might have been "They're Red Hot" but I can't be certain.
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 21, 2018 8:28:41 GMT
This is true and many recordings, including some off Blood Sugar Sex Magik, have been done in natural environments. The disadvantages are ambient noise, like animals and airplanes, as well as lack of shelter from the elements. Additionally, with fewer surfaces, room acoustics are non-existent so you will not get any reverb. So some room acoustics are desirable then? I thought the goal was to eliminate room tone as much as possible. Sure, some room acoustics are desirable. However, you have to qualify whether the room enhances or destroys your intention. Flutter echo, modal ringing, and comb filtering from strong specular reflections aren't typically desired. On the other hand, some room mics in an AIR live room might be just the thing to jimmy up your drum recording. Check out this video by Sound on Sound. You can clearly hear what differences the various rooms make. In other videos on youtube, drums are recorded outside as well.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 21, 2018 22:11:11 GMT
So some room acoustics are desirable then? I thought the goal was to eliminate room tone as much as possible. Sure, some room acoustics are desirable. However, you have to qualify whether the room enhances or destroys your intention. Flutter echo, modal ringing, and comb filtering from strong specular reflections aren't typically desired. On the other hand, some room mics in an AIR live room might be just the thing to jimmy up your drum recording. Check out this video by Sound on Sound. You can clearly hear what differences the various rooms make. In other videos on youtube, drums are recorded outside as well. So for critical listening then, the goal would be to eliminate any room tone in order that it doesn’t conflict with ththe desired tone of the recording, correct? Or is some tone desirable even in listening applications?
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 22, 2018 9:50:54 GMT
Sure, some room acoustics are desirable. However, you have to qualify whether the room enhances or destroys your intention. Flutter echo, modal ringing, and comb filtering from strong specular reflections aren't typically desired. On the other hand, some room mics in an AIR live room might be just the thing to jimmy up your drum recording. Check out this video by Sound on Sound. You can clearly hear what differences the various rooms make. In other videos on youtube, drums are recorded outside as well. So for critical listening then, the goal would be to eliminate any room tone in order that it doesn’t conflict with ththe desired tone of the recording, correct? Or is some tone desirable even in listening applications? Different people have different opinions on this. If you look at the EBU Tech 3276-1998, they define 'reference listening rooms' and 'control rooms' differently. I forget the specs for each but you can read it here: tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3276.pdfThere's also some talk about this in the Cox/D'Antonio book and, from what I recall, they left it up to preference. Whereas a more live room, such as a diffuse LEDE, will make the sound larger, a dead room will have smaller sound but less interference. But you're speaking about live, as in performance, rooms. I think the general consensus is that if the room sounds good then use it. You can always use baffles to control ambience and bleed. If, however, your room sucks then it's probably best to make it as dead as possible.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 22, 2018 18:18:34 GMT
So for critical listening then, the goal would be to eliminate any room tone in order that it doesn’t conflict with ththe desired tone of the recording, correct? Or is some tone desirable even in listening applications? Different people have different opinions on this. If you look at the EBU Tech 3276-1998, they define 'reference listening rooms' and 'control rooms' differently. I forget the specs for each but you can read it here: tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3276.pdfThere's also some talk about this in the Cox/D'Antonio book and, from what I recall, they left it up to preference. Whereas a more live room, such as a diffuse LEDE, will make the sound larger, a dead room will have smaller sound but less interference. But you're speaking about live, as in performance, rooms. I think the general consensus is that if the room sounds good then use it. You can always use baffles to control ambience and bleed. If, however, your room sucks then it's probably best to make it as dead as possible. Well considering my room is basically bare walls with a projector screen, some bookshelves, and some pictures, I’d say it definitely sucks! Guess I’ll just have to cover every inch in RealTraps haha! Thanks so much for all the info
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 23, 2018 11:44:57 GMT
Different people have different opinions on this. If you look at the EBU Tech 3276-1998, they define 'reference listening rooms' and 'control rooms' differently. I forget the specs for each but you can read it here: tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3276.pdfThere's also some talk about this in the Cox/D'Antonio book and, from what I recall, they left it up to preference. Whereas a more live room, such as a diffuse LEDE, will make the sound larger, a dead room will have smaller sound but less interference. But you're speaking about live, as in performance, rooms. I think the general consensus is that if the room sounds good then use it. You can always use baffles to control ambience and bleed. If, however, your room sucks then it's probably best to make it as dead as possible. Well considering my room is basically bare walls with a projector screen, some bookshelves, and some pictures, I’d say it definitely sucks! Guess I’ll just have to cover every inch in RealTraps haha! Thanks so much for all the info It has a projector screen, books, and pictures so how can it suck? Maybe it's a dope place to watch movies or read with headphones. There's more to a room than good acoustics. If you want a commercial acoustics solution then I have no reason not to recommend Real Traps. That option notwithstanding, you can make great strides by crafting your own panels. Many sound enthusiasts do this to great effect - economically, functionally, and sense of accomplishment.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 25, 2018 0:03:32 GMT
Well considering my room is basically bare walls with a projector screen, some bookshelves, and some pictures, I’d say it definitely sucks! Guess I’ll just have to cover every inch in RealTraps haha! Thanks so much for all the info It has a projector screen, books, and pictures so how can it suck? Maybe it's a dope place to watch movies or read with headphones. There's more to a room than good acoustics. If you want a commercial acoustics solution then I have no reason not to recommend Real Traps. That option notwithstanding, you can make great strides by crafting your own panels. Many sound enthusiasts do this to great effect - economically, functionally, and sense of accomplishment. Could you recommend some resources for DIY absorption? Thanks in advance!
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Post by rock on Feb 25, 2018 2:19:10 GMT
Do you mean stores where you can buy them? Or what you should buy? You must have read the "Read this First". Here's one article that lists some materials. ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html If you have any questions, please be a little more specific.
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