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Post by Hexspa on Dec 27, 2019 0:56:46 GMT
Rock - you called it. Not sure if I'm sold yet but it's definitely getting love over there. Still need to save up for a weighted 88 keyboard. Thinking about Korg but have to try them out. I just spent six months practicing "Amazing Grace" reharmonizations so I'm ready for a reward
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Post by rock on Dec 29, 2019 15:14:20 GMT
Hex, thanks for the confirmation.
I "discovered" Pianoteq from the "clonewheel" forum that discusses Hammond organ clones and other keyboards. I have to admit that when I first looked into it, I was impressed by the vast array of parameters that can be tweaked. They actually sell 3 versions: Stage, Standard and Pro. They all sound great, the difference between them is the number of parameters you can adjust.
There are 2 Free Trial Downloads: one for Stage and one for Standard and I downloaded both of them. I started with the Standard and played around with some of the adjustments and found that I tended toward the stock settings and just had more fun playing than tweaking so I decided to check out the Stage which has less, but still a fair amount of parameters to adjust and I was just as happy with that.
So after all that, I never pulled the trigger and even purchased the cheaper "Stage" version mainly because I really don't need it since I have a couple digital pianos already and, because they are self contained, they're more portable and simpler to set up etc.
The other drawback of the Pianoteq SW is the "Instrument Packs" ($59 each) thing. You get a choice of 2 that come with the initial purchase but then it's $59 a pop if you want more. Not a big deal but just sayin'. One last thing, and this is a big one but really just my opinion: The Steinway D is my favorite! In the free trial you can sample the wide assortment of instruments but I found myself playing the "D" the most.
So yeah, I think Pianoteq really does deserve an award, it's really a great product even though I am only judging from the free trial versions.
Whatever 88 piano you decide to buy, you'll probably find one with a pretty nice sounding "piano engine" so you may never really need a SW version. However, for serious recording, it may be useful to record the MIDI data and have the option to choose a different piano model or tweak parameters in post...(but I never do that, just sayin')
While you're shopping, check out that Cassio Privia PX-560, it may be more than you need but I need to play one sometime if I ever see one around here. I have an old Privia PX-300, it's basically OK but with no user presets, it's not very easy to use live (but I'v been slogging along with it for years:(
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Post by Hexspa on Dec 30, 2019 2:44:06 GMT
I was looking at the PX-S3000 but that one has Smart Scaled Action whereas the PX-560 and PX-5S have Scaled Hammer Action II. While I wasn't considering the one you mentioned, I'll be sure to remember it before deciding.
Getting a dedicated digital instrument definitely seems to have its advantages; portability not least of which. It's somewhere on the horizon for me. Currently trying to improve my videos and skill in Drum and Bass so no immediate need for a digital piano right now.
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Post by eddiespaghetti on Jan 7, 2020 18:17:43 GMT
I was looking at the PX-S3000 but that one has Smart Scaled Action whereas the PX-560 and PX-5S have Scaled Hammer Action II. While I wasn't considering the one you mentioned, I'll be sure to remember it before deciding. Getting a dedicated digital instrument definitely seems to have its advantages; portability not least of which. It's somewhere on the horizon for me. Currently trying to improve my videos and skill in Drum and Bass so no immediate need for a digital piano right now. I just bought a PX-5S. At first I thought the main piano sound was lacking in a big way. Sounded toy-like in comparison to my VST's. The next day I recorded the audio from the Casio and the midi performance on a track. Copied the track and compared the same piece/s of music between the Casio stock piano sound and three VST pianos. 1. Sampletank 3 (Grand). 2. Addictive Keys. 3. VITA Grand. VITA is part of a bundle package that comes with Magix Acid Pro 9 DAW. I was very surprised to find I preferred the Casio on some things, while preferring Sampletank (this is like a 10 year old VST) and Addictive on others. I did not like the VITA piano on anything, outside of the dynamics being all over the place, the sound was, by far, the least realistic to my ears. However, my wife thought it sounded the most authentic! Overall my favorite, as far as realism goes, was probably Sampletank. My wife felt Sampletank was the least realistic sounding! Just goes to show you... it's all personal preference.
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Post by Hexspa on Jan 8, 2020 3:11:06 GMT
Two things are for sure: we each tune into different parts of the spectrum and experience counts. I, for example, seem to favor the lower midrange whereas many people love bass. Maybe with training, which leads me to my second point, we can more completely evaluate the entire signal. If you've spent more time with pianos then you might hear more than your wife.
Just like when I bought my B&W 602 and thought they sounded better than bigger ones in that series but, after having them for a few months and coming back for a receiver, changed my mind - probably due to having more tuned into the sound.
But anyway, good to hear you like the Casio. How's the action? Back around 2011 I worked at Sam Ash and noodled with the keyboards - didn't play much at the time - and felt like you had to spend at least $1000 retail to get a decent action. That may have changed but I haven't been to a music store to play with keyboards for about 5 years!
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Post by Hexspa on Jan 10, 2020 8:39:37 GMT
Just want to add that RME is now bundling this software with the Babyface Pro FS along with other apps. Pretty neat, if you ask me.
EDIT: No they're not. It was just a demo. Kind of weird, tbh.
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Post by mej on Mar 9, 2020 16:54:10 GMT
Just as a late reply to a stale thread (as I just got access): as a pianist I prefer Pianoteq to all the other excellent sampled pianos I have. Why? It's the only one I can play off as if it was a real piano with me sitting in front of the soundboard. I might use one of several sampled pianos on a track but to write, I use Pianoteq. I've had it since the second release and it's a pleasure to compose with. I use it with an ancient Korg SG1-D 88 and it works for me. Oddly, I still use the 12-bit SG1-D sound in some tracks - it just sits in there better than some of the in-theory much superior pianos I have...
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 10, 2020 5:07:47 GMT
That's interesting, mej. Thanks for replying. Can you link to one of your compositions? I'm always interested to hear how pianists compose as coming from a guitar background myself. The SG1-D is the sampling grand? You're not the first one I hear who prefers the sound of older samplers. The D1 was something I was considering for when I can make more time for piano playing.
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Post by mej on Mar 17, 2020 14:14:13 GMT
I'm currently self-isolating because of probable coronavirus and 1200km from my current studio and backing store, which is in another country When (when oh when!?) I am able to get back I'll look something out I can share. I am most definitely not in the contemporary genres, though... BTW apart from uncomfortable chest tightness, reminiscent of previous bacterial pneumonia after 'flu, this is not as bad as common cold - for us, at least. So HHG, 42, - "Don't Panic!" MeJ
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Post by Hexspa on Mar 18, 2020 9:09:24 GMT
Good to hear you're doing well. Looking forward to hearing.
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