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Post by prashanthgnair on Feb 5, 2017 17:13:56 GMT
planning to make some reflection panels and bass traps, i have two options, first one is roxul comfortboard is 2" think material with density 8lb/ft3. and second one is roxul prorox Sl 940 which is 4" thick 4.4lb/ft3 both are 4 x 2 ft boards.prorox sl940 has NRC of 1.05 and comfort board has an NRC of 0.9 kindly advise me on which to choose...
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 5, 2017 18:37:03 GMT
Prorox SL 940 aka RHT 60 PRODUCT THICKNESS DENSITY 125HZ 250HZ 500HZ 1000HZ 2000HZ 4000HZ NRC MOUNTING RHT 60 2" (51mm) 4.4 pcf (70 kg/m3) 0.26 0.71 1.14 1.09 1.04 1.03 1.00 RHT 60 4" (100mm) 4.4 pcf (70 kg/m3) 0.92 1.04 1.07 1.07 1.07 1.08 1.05 701, plain 4" (102mm) 1.5 pcf (24 kg/m3) 0.73 1.29 1.22 1.06 1.00 0.97 1.15 (on wall) 703, plain 4" (102mm) 3.0 pcf (48 kg/m3) 0.84 1.24 1.24 1.08 1.00 0.97 1.15 (on wall) IIG 1280 2" (51mm) 8 pcf (128 kg/m^3)0.32 0.90 1.11 1.07 1.01 1.05 1.00 IIG 1280 4" (102mm) 8 pcf (128 kg/m^3) 1.11 0.91 1.03 1.03 1.06 1.07 1.00 I don't see comfortboard on here www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htmAbove 1kHz there is no significant difference (<.15 not significant). At 250Hz, OC takes the lead. At 125Hz you'll be as good as 703. I put up RHT 60 2" because I use a 2" variant of IIG1280 doubled up. I don't know for sure if that yields a 4" equivalent but I know it works. In the low end thickness seems more important than density. Ethan did a comparison test demonstrating the difference among panels with varying thickness, density and number. Basically sheer number of panels is better followed by thickness and then density iirc. In other words, you should be good with RHT 60 4". I'm not sure if the <0.15 not mattering being relevant to total NRC. If that's the case then Bob (Gold)'s your uncle! Interestingly, gapping the OC 70X 16" makes it perform worse at 125Hz according to the chart. Anyway, hope that was helpful. -m
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Post by prashanthgnair on Feb 6, 2017 16:32:44 GMT
Thank you hexpa for the reply... comfortboard details i got from roxuls website... got 4 sets of sl940 5 pcs each. Thinking of frame. Should i go without frame or not?
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 6, 2017 22:50:03 GMT
Thank you hexpa for the reply... comfortboard details i got from roxuls website... got 4 sets of sl940 5 pcs each. Thinking of frame. Should i go without frame or not? I'm glad you got a good number of panels. Framing helps with hanging, protects the edges of the material and can aid in creating a tight finish with the fabric. Keep in mind that even with frames like mine, you will lose a certain percentage of the surface area (25% in my design - more for a full wooden frame). In general I would say to frame your panels. You can check this vid on YouTube to see how I've framed mine or see here. Remember that adhering a thin membrane (such as paper grocery bags) to the room side surface of non-RFZ panels helps with low end absorption. Simply, spray gluing paper or thin plastic (like the stuff your panels came wrapped in) to your corner traps helps them work better - verified (though sounds crazy). If that's confusing then don't worry; you can always do it later. Congrats on your new insulation -m
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Post by prashanthgnair on Feb 7, 2017 2:32:53 GMT
actually they shipped in wrong item, they brought in sl930 rht 40, i think sl930 is better than sl940, your thoughts
RHT 40 4" (100mm) 3.5 pcf (56 kg/m3) 1.07 1.01 1.07 1.06 1.07 1.16 1.05 RHT 60 4" (100mm) 4.4 pcf (70 kg/m3) 0.92 1.04 1.07 1.07 1.07 1.08 1.05
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 7, 2017 13:00:11 GMT
Kill them.
jk. I'm surprised that the less dense material works better at 125Hz. It's effect below there is unknown but so long as you use a lot of them I doubt it'll matter all that much.
-m
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Post by prashanthgnair on Feb 17, 2017 14:37:53 GMT
A) which reflection should i treat first, sidewall or cieling?
B) would a 2inch thick comfortboard for reflections be enough with maybe 1inch air gap
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 17, 2017 19:15:58 GMT
A - I'd say ceiling since, if you drill, dust falls out and could get on your side panels.
B - Depends what you mean by "enough". If you want clarity only above 1kHz then 2" should be fine. But if you want improvement lower than 250Hz then you'll need at least 4". I've used both. Hi hats are clearer with 2". I could hear the low part of synth delays with 4".
-m
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