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Post by b1 on Aug 26, 2017 23:09:03 GMT
Are ssd's any good for audio recording and video editing? If so how many and used for what??? For an computer that is for audio and video work combined.
Thanks for the info. in advance!
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Post by Hexspa on Aug 27, 2017 6:31:00 GMT
Yes, they're good.
What kind of cable (protocol) you're using also matters. Not sure about the details but something like USB-C will be better than USB 2.0. This matters more for video.
Ideally, you'll place your assets on one drive and your system and applications on another.
You really just need one in addition to your system drive. You can use a mechanical platter for backup and archive.
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Post by b1 on Aug 27, 2017 15:08:37 GMT
First let me say thank you for your reply Hexspa
I have 3-Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, 1-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB, 2-WD 1TB Blacks and 1-WD 4TB Black.
They would be internal sata 3.0
If I don't need all ssds or hdds I guess I would put aside whatever drives, for use later.
When you say assets, I assume you mean whatever Audio or Video footage I would be working on at any given moment, correct? (please excuse my ignorance)
On the web, youtube, etc..., There's all this talk about Cache Drive, Scratch Drive, moving files/folders from one drive to another, etc...
I'd be working with 1080 as far as video footage is concerned, no 2K-4K stuff.
I wonder about ssd longevity, I've never used them before.
Any more thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated.
Again excuse my ignorance
Thank You b1, P.S, Just noticed your youtube link I'll check it out!!! duh and now your site. PEACE
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Post by sal1950 on Aug 27, 2017 15:45:20 GMT
I don't think longevity of SSD's is much of a issue in this day. All drives will fail at some point. I've been running a 60g OCZ Vertex SSD for my operating systems root for over 8 years now. SMART reports 85% of it's service life left, if that means anything?
As a storage media for audio/video files though, the only real advantage of a SSD will be that it is silent in operation which could be very important in some builds and installations.
Other than that there's no real need for it's data read/write speeds, audio or video playback performance won't change a bit.
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Post by b1 on Aug 27, 2017 16:07:04 GMT
Thanks sal1950
So concerning ssds, no advantage to using them as a video editing drive or render drive or audio recording drive or sample (VST's) drive?
8 years sounds pretty good to me!
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Post by sal1950 on Aug 27, 2017 16:47:20 GMT
Thanks sal1950
So concerning ssds, no advantage to using them as a video editing drive
Thanks b1
I couldn't attest to any value in editing, I've never done any but really don't see a need for the thru-put speed. Do you have any issues with lag when editing? If so is it related to cpu-memory shortages instead of hd speed? I'm really out of my wheelhouse with this data intense application. |
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Post by balduin on Aug 27, 2017 20:08:41 GMT
hi, the only downside as of today is the higher cost per quantity of storage - compared to HDDs. it is true that a combination of [multi-core] CPU, RAM and - especially for video editing, very important - GPU have to be considered; in addition to the storage itself. i would prefer to have a workstation with as much SSD storage as needed and only thereafter i would move my projects for backup on [slower] Enterprise HDDs (e.g., on an excellent Synology device; with RAID = redundancy). Storage Performance In Entertainment And Content Creation
there you have a comparison. this article is from early 2012; since then prices went down, speed and durability went up (a lot)! speed depends on the SSD itself and its connection (most common types: USB 3.x/Thunderbolt for external; SATA/PCI-E for internal devices). kind regards |
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Post by arnyk on Aug 28, 2017 11:31:47 GMT
Are ssd's any good for audio recording and video editing? If so how many and used for what??? For an computer that is for audio and video work combined.
Thanks for the info. in advance!
First Post: thank B1 Of course SSDs are superior for everything when they have enough space to perform the task at hand. Now that the prices are down as far as they have (and they are reliably predictable to continue to fall), they are economically feasible. A reasonably cheap SSD (128 GB or larger) can have enough space for just about any real world audio or video production. My audio and video editing computers have either 1 SSD or a mirror set. I still hear about people who keep a hard disk online for archives. My archive drives are inexpensive USB-3 laptop-sized drives and are almost all offline. You may have to limit the size of your online archives that you keep on SSD for reasons of economics. SSD's are a good way to extend the useful life of your existing audio or video editing computer by greatly improving its performance. Using SSDs for audio and video is old news if you consider the fact that portable audio and video recorders have been making heavy use of flash drives for up to a decade or more. |
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Post by b1 on Aug 28, 2017 18:06:08 GMT
Do you have any issues with lag when editing? If so is it related to cpu-memory shortages instead of hd speed? I'm really out of my wheelhouse with this data intense application. No lag, haven't put the machine together so there you go with that though, I have managed a boot test, booted good.Parts = i7 6850k, 32gig ram, 1070gpu and some drives, since I have the ssds try to use them. I'm always out of the wheelhouse! Thanks b1 |
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Post by sal1950 on Aug 28, 2017 23:36:46 GMT
Do you have any issues with lag when editing? If so is it related to cpu-memory shortages instead of hd speed? I'm really out of my wheelhouse with this data intense application. No lag, haven't put the machine together so there you go with that though, I have managed a boot test, booted good.Parts = i7 6850k, 32gig ram, 1070gpu and some drives, since I have the ssds try to use them. I'm always out of the wheelhouse! Thanks b1 Machine looks plenty powerful enough for your needs, I can't imagine any slowdown on that from. As arnyk said, SSD will measure superior in all respects, but that all has to do with thru-put speed. Will SSD's make your audio playback or editing sound better, Nope not a bit. Will SSD's make your video playback or editing have a better pictures, Nope, not a bit. So again, it all will boils down to editing speed vs cost per gig. I run a few Western Blacks here for my audio/video/backup storage needs and they perform admirably. The OS is on the SSD. Why not run your rig with the Blacks you already have and see if they slow you down any in your editing work. If they do, fine, get some big SSD's If not save your money. 2 TB of Black runs about $100, 2 TB of SSD runs about $600+ At 6x the price they better offer some "real world" improvement in my working needs for my wallet. YMMV |
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Post by Hexspa on Aug 29, 2017 6:32:14 GMT
I work mostly with audio.
I can imagine an SSD getting samples (or video clips in your case) up running more quickly.
When you refer to "scratch disk" etc. I remember reading that having all those drives these days is an obsolete practice due to improved library management on the software end. That's mostly a video issue from what I understand, though. Ableton uses a cache folder and a temp folder but I never noticed an improvement moving those directories around.
I have an original SSD in my late 2012 mac mini and have no problems. Then again I don't use it for more than applications and OS.
To clarify, I don't use an SSD (but a 7200 RPM HDD) for my "assets" but I might once I update to High Sierra since I'll have an extra due to a clean install.
I predict quicker loading times for samples but that's just a guess.
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Post by b1 on Aug 31, 2017 9:46:06 GMT
hi, the only downside as of today is the higher cost per quantity of storage - compared to HDDs. it is true that a combination of [multi-core] CPU, RAM and - especially for video editing, very important - GPU have to be considered; in addition to the storage itself. i would prefer to have a workstation with as much SSD storage as needed and only thereafter i would move my projects for backup on [slower] Enterprise HDDs (e.g., on an excellent Synology device; with RAID = redundancy). Storage Performance In Entertainment And Content Creation
there you have a comparison. this article is from early 2012; since then prices went down, speed and durability went up (a lot)! speed depends on the SSD itself and its connection (most common types: USB 3.x/Thunderbolt for external; SATA/PCI-E for internal devices). kind regards Yes SSD's higher cost for storage compared to HDD's.
Yes a balanced system is a good thing IMHO. Hope the GPU: MSI 1070 is compatible in the way of not interfering with the DAW its self or any aspect the audio production of the computer. (Quadro?)
Yes, agreed, an external backup would be a good thing but at the moment all backup drive(s) will be internal on the MOBO sata 3.0 ports. Due to time and money constraints.
Thanks for the Toms Hardware link!
kind regards in return
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Post by b1 on Aug 31, 2017 10:21:20 GMT
Are ssd's any good for audio recording and video editing? If so how many and used for what??? For an computer that is for audio and video work combined.
Thanks for the info. in advance!
First Post: thank B1 Of course SSDs are superior for everything when they have enough space to perform the task at hand. Now that the prices are down as far as they have (and they are reliably predictable to continue to fall), they are economically feasible. A reasonably cheap SSD (128 GB or larger) can have enough space for just about any real world audio or video production. My audio and video editing computers have either 1 SSD or a mirror set. I still hear about people who keep a hard disk online for archives. My archive drives are inexpensive USB-3 laptop-sized drives and are almost all offline. You may have to limit the size of your online archives that you keep on SSD for reasons of economics. SSD's are a good way to extend the useful life of your existing audio or video editing computer by greatly improving its performance. Using SSDs for audio and video is old news if you consider the fact that portable audio and video recorders have been making heavy use of flash drives for up to a decade or more.
So a 250GB SSD is big enough for working audio drive and/or working video files drive as long as it doesn't get filled up and kept spiffy? Once finished Project move to archive?
Your computers "1 SSD or a mirror set" (HDD or SSD?), then transferred to archive drive(s)?
Thanks for the input!
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Post by b1 on Aug 31, 2017 10:37:06 GMT
I work mostly with audio. I can imagine an SSD getting samples (or video clips in your case) up running more quickly. When you refer to "scratch disk" etc. I remember reading that having all those drives these days is an obsolete practice due to improved library management on the software end. That's mostly a video issue from what I understand, though. Ableton uses a cache folder and a temp folder but I never noticed an improvement moving those directories around. I have an original SSD in my late 2012 mac mini and have no problems. Then again I don't use it for more than applications and OS. To clarify, I don't use an SSD (but a 7200 RPM HDD) for my "assets" but I might once I update to High Sierra since I'll have an extra due to a clean install. I predict quicker loading times for samples but that's just a guess. Thanks. That's how it may be and/or should and once samples are written to the SSD, those samples should be read only, so no more writing to the drive, unless adding more samples and then back to just the drive being a read from again. (I think?)
Interesting Site, Pretty Cool!!!
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Post by arnyk on Aug 31, 2017 11:06:24 GMT
I work mostly with audio. I can imagine an SSD getting samples (or video clips in your case) up running more quickly. When you refer to "scratch disk" etc. I remember reading that having all those drives these days is an obsolete practice due to improved library management on the software end. That's mostly a video issue from what I understand, though. Ableton uses a cache folder and a temp folder but I never noticed an improvement moving those directories around. I have an original SSD in my late 2012 mac mini and have no problems. Then again I don't use it for more than applications and OS. To clarify, I don't use an SSD (but a 7200 RPM HDD) for my "assets" but I might once I update to High Sierra since I'll have an extra due to a clean install. I predict quicker loading times for samples but that's just a guess. Thanks. That's how it may be and/or should and once samples are written to the SSD, those samples should be read only, so no more writing to the drive, unless adding more samples and then back to just the drive being a read from again. (I think?)
Interesting Site, Pretty Cool!!!
Peace b1
Modern SSD internal flash media can handle 10,000 to 100,000 rewrites. As a rule, SSD and flash drive built-in controllers monitor the re-writing of the internal flash media and move the data automatically when the rewrite count starts getting near the limit. There is built in spare media to cover this eventuality. There are many articles on the web debunking the limited rewrite myth such as this one: techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead"The first lesson came quickly. All of the drives surpassed their official endurance specifications by writing hundreds of terabytes without issue. Delivering on the manufacturer-guaranteed write tolerance wouldn't normally be cause for celebration, but the scale makes this achievement important. Most PC users, myself included, write no more than a few terabytes per year. Even 100TB is far more endurance than the typical consumer needs" www.cnet.com/how-to/how-ssds-solid-state-drives-work-increase-lifespan/"So how long is long? To help users estimate how long an SSD will last, most SSD manufacturers present the drive's endurance by the amount of data that can be written to the drive. For example, the 750GB Crucial MX300 has an endurance of 220TBW, meaning you can write 220 terabytes of data to the drive before it becomes unreliable. To put this in perspective, if you write 50GB of data per day every day to the drive, it will take you some 12 years to wear it out. Most other SSDs have similar or better endurance ratings. Generally the larger the drive, the higher he endurance." Bottom line, you can generally ignore this potential problem. |
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