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Post by James s on Jun 5, 2018 19:18:17 GMT
Hello all. I currently live in Hawaii on the big island. Rigid fiberglass or rockwool is not to be found locally, and shipping costs are astronomical here, even from a neighboring island.
So I'm left trying to come up with a creative alternatives that will do the trick. One consideration is, it is wet here!, so whatever recycled material I find should be mold- moisture resistant aswell.
All I've come up with so far is...
-Heavy duty plane/helicopter carpet.
-Old couch cushions.
-normal wall insulation compressed.
-aircrete blocks.
-pourous lava stones?
If anyone has any recycled material ideas for me I would greatly appreciate any help.
It doesn't have to be recycled necessarily, it could be from Target, or Walmart.
Maybe a trap made from old McDonald's french fries...
those things never mold:)
Thanks much, James.
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Post by Michael Lawrence on Jun 5, 2018 19:28:20 GMT
Hi James. Ethan may very well contradict me on this but I believe that in the United States, anything you hang on your walls needs to be fire-rated for such. Some of these substances would put out horribly poisonous fumes when burning or melting and good sound is not worth murdering yourself over.
Are you looking to treat early reflection points (high-frequency absorption) or make bass traps (low frequency absorption)?
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Post by James s on Jun 5, 2018 19:50:43 GMT
It's just a small project studio, at the very least we will make an iso booth, and some bass traps in the corners with some cloth on walls.
Also, I live on an active volcano which is currently erupting:) Building codes tend to be a bit more lenient around here for private spaces. luckily I'm far from the flow:)
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Post by rock on Jun 5, 2018 20:08:35 GMT
One member from Australia or New Zealand suggested polyester fiber, I think this the kind of stuff you find in speaker cabinets and I believe it's also used for upholstery. I don't know about the acoustical performance but if you can't get anything else it might work out for you. As far as fire codes, Michael brings up a good point. I understand there are national fire codes www.nfpa.org/Codes-and-Standards but there are probably local and state codes. In fact, your local municipal building department may even have some ideas for you. I now see your post, must have appeared while I was responding (I'm very slow:) |
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Post by jamess on Jun 5, 2018 20:39:36 GMT
Thanks rock, that's a good one.
Another I thought of is this heavy woven fabric called Mirafi, which is found locally and used for pond liners and stone roads.
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Post by Hexspa on Jun 7, 2018 19:54:15 GMT
Ultratouch is shredded denim. That will probably mildew under harsh conditions. Rock talks about another company, whose name I remember but can't recommend. The most obvious answer here is to use regular fluffy insulation over 8" in thickness.
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Post by Ethan Winer on Jun 9, 2018 16:23:13 GMT
As far as I know people are free to put whatever they want in their homes. The only time "the law" gets involved is when products are sold. And even then companies get away with murder all the time. Literally murder! People die in car crashes and a company gets only a fine, even after emails showing they knew of the danger.  |
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Post by Michael Lawrence on Jun 9, 2018 16:31:12 GMT
As far as I know people are free to put whatever they want in their homes. That's probably the case... my canned response of "is that fire-rated?" is because I do so much live audio work. In a theater or other performance venue, it's a whole different ballgame. |
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Post by Hexspa on Jun 10, 2018 0:30:53 GMT
As far as I know people are free to put whatever they want in their homes. The only time "the law" gets involved is when products are sold. And even then companies get away with murder all the time. Literally murder! People die in car crashes and a company gets only a fine, even after emails showing they knew of the danger. Somebody's not a Tesla fan |
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Post by Hexspa on Jun 10, 2018 0:31:17 GMT
As far as I know people are free to put whatever they want in their homes. That's probably the case... my canned response of "is that fire-rated?" is because I do so much live audio work. In a theater or other performance venue, it's a whole different ballgame. You should make a tshirt
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Post by Michael Lawrence on Jun 10, 2018 1:26:57 GMT
I mean, people think that if you're in production, the first priority is to put on the show. It's not. The first priority is not to kill anyone. When people start choosing "The Show" over common sense and basic precautions, Bad Things Happen. I used to show that video at crew trainings. If it doesn't turn your stomach a little bit, I don't want you on my crew. Cut corners, people get hurt. Total thread hijack, I apologize. |
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Post by Hexspa on Jun 10, 2018 7:32:16 GMT
I mean, people think that if you're in production, the first priority is to put on the show. It's not. The first priority is not to kill anyone. When people start choosing "The Show" over common sense and basic precautions, Bad Things Happen. I used to show that video at crew trainings. If it doesn't turn your stomach a little bit, I don't want you on my crew. Cut corners, people get hurt. Total thread hijack, I apologize. Sad af. Too bad few will listen. Too many d bags at the top getting polished by the retarded to be accountable. smh. |
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Post by Michael Lawrence on Jun 10, 2018 12:24:25 GMT
If you read about the causes of the accident, which you can on Wikipedia as well as in the official engineering commission report (which is a 1500 page 512MB PDF if you're ever having trouble sleeping), you will see that there were at least a dozen shortcuts taken. Nobody checking the rigging math, nobody inspecting the stage structure, nobody approving the current stage plot, an officer suggesting that the show be stopped, and the band ignoring him. These things never happen because one bolt falls out of the truss. It's virtually never caused by equipment failure. It's *always* people being lazy or incompetent. There was a string of bad decisions made. If anyone in that chain had said "wait a second," that would not have happened.
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Post by jamess on Jun 11, 2018 1:07:38 GMT
I grew up in a small town in Pennsylvania, Boyertown, which had a famous theater fire which I believe killed nearly everyone. Curtains caught fire and the doors opened inward."smacks forehead"
A couple other ideas,
-hay bales (not the most firesafe:) sealed in wall construction.
Treated with borax.
-old rolls of floor carpeting.
-"abv" round here is spray painted on abandoned vehicles allowing people to strip them, first come first serve. That would supply cushions/carpet/firewall materials.
Any others? Keep em coming:)
Thanks for the reply Ethan, I learned a lot from you, it's an honor.
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Post by Michael Lawrence on Jun 11, 2018 3:51:35 GMT
Best cheapo bass traps are rolled-up carpet and big bags full of fiberglass insulation (the pink stuff). Fill up your corners.
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