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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 10:24:48 GMT
Best would be, if you could build them "integrated" for example, super chunks in corners. If you go buy more rock wool, go for that 75kg. But when I look at your room pictures, it seems that you have really many panels already. So as I have said earlier, I would probably try to move speakers and mixing position around, find the best spot. Then if needed do more treatment.
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Post by chollus on Aug 9, 2018 11:54:06 GMT
Indeed, there are many panels, and almost no more room for amps and other stuff and i understood your point of view about moving the mixing position in order to find the sweetest post...but this room is 50% mixing/50% recording(with whole band sometimes), so i need flatter response on different spot and not only mixing position...that is the big trouble... One thing is sure, i have to make the low response tighter and after that bringing some hf shouldn t be too hard to do...
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Post by chollus on Aug 9, 2018 15:48:09 GMT
So no more 75kg around my home, so i went for 40kg, and it s gonna be 5 more panels but 10 inches thick. I think (hope) it s thick enough to absorb some low end. Make the REW gods be with me!!!!!!
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Post by rock on Aug 9, 2018 19:33:01 GMT
i understood your point of view about moving the mixing position in order to find the sweetest post...but this room is 50% mixing/50% recording(with whole band sometimes), so i need flatter response on different spot and not only mixing position...that is the big trouble... I would suggest you really only need flat response for mixing and critical listening. When recording in small rooms with close micing, room acoustics will be minimized so I don't think you need to achieve a flat response for spots you record instruments. For recording, moveable, fully absorptive panels (gobos) are useful.
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Post by chollus on Aug 9, 2018 19:48:46 GMT
Hi Rock, i agree, the mix position is the most important, even in a recording situation, because it s here you decide if the recorded sound is what you want to hear...so it will be one of my priority...but just another place around room center with a correct freq response to record acoustic guitar will be great... And on the rear back there is a drum, so the same ( though i made test on yerterday and with a m160 pair and classic close micing, no low problem) For the gobos, i ve made 2 on casters... On tomorrow, i going to build my five last panels and i hope they re going to make the difference...
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Post by chollus on Aug 9, 2018 20:02:40 GMT
Hi Rock, i agree, the mix position is the most important, even in a recording situation, because it s here you decide if the recorded sound is what you want to hear... That s what you meant by « critical listening » sorry, i have to improve my english...
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Post by rock on Aug 9, 2018 21:19:29 GMT
Yes, the mix position is where you critically listen so I guess I was redundant.
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Post by rock on Aug 9, 2018 21:35:55 GMT
...but just another place around room center with a correct freq response to record acoustic guitar will be great... But my original point was and still is: I don't think you need to be concerned with attaining a flat response at the spot where you will record the guitar (or anything else) as long as you're using close micing. If you're micing the room, sure, it will make a difference.
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Post by Hexspa on Aug 10, 2018 4:26:35 GMT
Chollus, my standard is 20dB decay within 150ms. You look to be achieving that but you can verify by clicking on the decay tab and selecting the appropriate time values. I think REW does 160 and 140ms. Your SPL looks good at LP.
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Post by chollus on Aug 10, 2018 6:35:16 GMT
Rock unfortunately, even with relatively close micing, (with ribbon or ldc) we can hear guitar suffering of the room in low med)...
Hexspa, i m going to check that today!
Thanks
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Post by rock on Aug 11, 2018 3:27:22 GMT
Did you try surrounding the guitar recoding area with absorptive panels? Do you have a cloud over the guitar recording area?
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Post by ths61 on Aug 11, 2018 19:35:46 GMT
Chollus,
What are your frames/stands made out of ?
TIA
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Post by chollus on Aug 12, 2018 20:39:17 GMT
hi everyone, news from france...
after 5 news traps 26cm thick, things well improve. i finally managed to tame my mains modes a bit, just enough to find a new clarity in my room. i can hear it when i talk and when i play acoustic guitar. today i recorded a good drummer with a good kit and i m happy with the result, less boxy like it used to do and low, low mid less heavy, no more needing that -12b scoop on the ovh EQ! i measured the results with REW and it s clear! but the volume (db) of the old measurement don t match, is there a way to "normalise" the different vlume of each each mesure to compare them ( i found on spl but no way on waterfall)?
Hexspa , i checked the decay button, but not sure of the way to find what you told me. more explanations if you have time...?
rock , regarding guitar, with the new basstraps and with the gobos around, guitar is far better, i ll made a test soon!
ths61 : the frame of my traps are made with ikea cheap bookshield, around 9.90 euro, 135 cm x 60 cm x 27cm : perfect... look for "hyllis" on ikea
@pasim , my next move will be focusing on hi frequencies in the room... and one thing again, i noticed by a measurement that if i take my LP back of 40 cm, the frequency response is a lot flatter! far from perfect but i m going to look this way...
so,i will be back with real measurements soon... thanks to all again
nico
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 17:29:18 GMT
Good job! put some measurements. You can offset SPL graph in controls menu, then you can add it to data.
Does music sound also better, 40cm further from front wall? In my room i've noticed i would like to listen further from back wall, for me music just sounds better, but when taking measurements from those "sounds better" spots, they're way way worse.
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Post by ths61 on Aug 13, 2018 20:53:34 GMT
chollus : Great find on the Ikea racks. Probably couldn't buy the angled metal for that, let alone the shelves.
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