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Post by mahdes on Feb 22, 2019 9:45:37 GMT
Hey guys! I found interesting article and interview with Carl Tatz. A lot of opinions are against basic "rules" and common tips how to setup monitors. Obviously I'm not clever enough to judge but I was wondering what do you guys think about it ? Sounds very interesting at least. "The cure is to make the speaker placements asymmetrical. First, they must be different distances from the side walls, which means setting everything somewhat to one side, rather than centering the system along a wall. The speakers must also be different distances from the front wall, which means rotating the system away from that wall somewhat. If you offset the system one way and rotate it the other way, then at least the listening position can remain more or less centered. Finally, if possible, and most challenging to our sense of what looks right, the speakers should be at different heights. It looks a bit off kilter, but sounds much more natural, and less like you're hearing speakers in a room. " From 12:50 www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDmACvbPxXs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2guAKFVZbEiid_DWHeEkcvPhLNOwIWVSjUjR6DxcQJUObx3lIVipjxZRoAbout allison effect and his opinion about asymetry setups david-janszen.squarespace.com/blog/speaker-setup-minimizing-the-allison-effect2015321 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 14:20:49 GMT
Sounds interesting. Can't wait to hear what Ethan has to say about this..
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 22, 2019 19:52:28 GMT
I remember Ethan mentioning something about this. As I recall, in one of his articles, he recommends not sitting 'exactly' in the center of the room but off a few inches. At least part of his reasoning has to be because of the modal peak in the center of the two side walls. Really what this 'Allison Effect' is called today is Speaker-Boundary Interference Response. I recently did a basic article on it here: hexspa.com/speaker-boundary-interference/I was waiting for the guy to get to the point in the video but it didn't come after four minutes so I clicked away to the article you linked. While I haven't tested this, per se, I am aware of using complimentary responses of individual speakers to create a more even SPL. The main problem with that article is the sentence at the bottom: "...enjoy your new freedom from room effects." This is far from the truth. Will you balance the SPL response of a narrow range by implementing that strategy? Conceivably, but you still have myriad other factors with which to contend. Some of these are: your listening position, modal ringing, masking and comb filtering from untamed reflections and, not least, the quality of your stereo image. Again, I haven't tried this but I have a hard time believing that you're going to get a reliable stereo image with cock-eyed speakers lol. In fact, I have tried this in the sense of setting up my speakers in an asymmetrical room - it's terrible. Really what surprised me was how unimpressive the SPL responses from these high-end studios are. Members here, pasim included, get better responses. I don't mean to be cranky but whatever I managed to sit through in those four minutes didn't strike me as news to any degree. Maybe I'm wrong but this just doesn't seem that revolutionary. This so-called 'Allison Effect' might've been news in 1965 but it's just basic acoustics knowledge now. In fact, pasim, this boundary-caused increase in bass is exactly what you're experiencing when you put your speakers on the floor. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 23:20:47 GMT
In that video, I watched it all, they didn't talk about "Allison effect". He just mentioned it in passing.
Yeah, I just liked the bass when they were sitting on the floor. It sounded different than boosting little with EQ.
I might not get that good FR anymore, I've teared down a lot of treatment :S, Almost all not "integrated". I enjoy the room more now tbh. (I mentioned about the deadness and brain fatigue)
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 23, 2019 11:28:13 GMT
Hmm, that's interesting. I don't remember you mentioning brain fatigue. Can you elaborate on how long your listening sessions are and other factors which may have contributed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 21:59:09 GMT
Hmm, that's interesting. I don't remember you mentioning brain fatigue. Can you elaborate on how long your listening sessions are and other factors which may have contributed? I just couldn't get the speakers to sound the way i wanted. And mixes didn't translate,well they did after tweaking but was too pain for me(maybe im just really bad mixer?). Actually my bass is more even throughout the room now.. Don't know how that's possible. I can pretty much put my speakers any spot and bass is somewhat even. Before it was somewhat even, when speakers were placed just in one spot. I've removed total _17_ REALLY that many panels. Basically all. I could maybe post some updates on that thread about my room. |
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Post by Hexspa on Feb 24, 2019 13:18:16 GMT
Hmm, that's interesting. I don't remember you mentioning brain fatigue. Can you elaborate on how long your listening sessions are and other factors which may have contributed? I just couldn't get the speakers to sound the way i wanted. And mixes didn't translate,well they did after tweaking but was too pain for me(maybe im just really bad mixer?). Actually my bass is more even throughout the room now.. Don't know how that's possible. I can pretty much put my speakers any spot and bass is somewhat even. Before it was somewhat even, when speakers were placed just in one spot. I've removed total _17_ REALLY that many panels. Basically all. I could maybe post some updates on that thread about my room. Yes, definitely. Something about mix translation - I don't know what speakers you use. I really love my mix cube. If you haven't tried it then maybe give it a shot.
Thanks.
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