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Post by mahdes on May 18, 2020 17:06:04 GMT
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Post by Michael Lawrence on May 18, 2020 18:45:20 GMT
Better? Not in any objective sense - in terms of fidelity, vinyl records have noise floors, dynamic range, frequency response, and THD specs that are markedly inferior to a modern digital medium. It also degrades further with each playback. ("Medium" is the key word. In a technical sense, the storage medium's job is to reproduce the signal that's stored on it, not editorialize or alter it.) That's not why people like vinyl. Besides the aesthetic appeal, vinyl produces certain types of distortion that many listeners perceive as pleasing. So I think the pro-vinyl argument is not that it's a transparent or linear medium (which it's objectively not), but that it is non-linear in a subjectively pleasing way. Plus some people just enjoy the tangibility of it.
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Post by Ethan Winer on May 18, 2020 19:09:43 GMT
Michael summed it up nicely. For old people who grew up with records, nostalgia is another factor. And everyone likes the large front and back cover art. Though many CDs include either a booklet, or folded up art that expands to full size.
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Post by mahdes on May 18, 2020 21:44:52 GMT
This is exactly what I think and why I love this forum
I posted the same link on the gearslutz and maaan...audiophiles all over the place yelling how vinyl is perfect sounding and this test is bad.
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Post by rock on May 18, 2020 22:38:45 GMT
I too agree that there are factors besides audio fidelity that keep vinyl alive. (Nobody says that about 8 track or cassette tapes!) I have my old turntable set up but I rarely put a record on it...but just yesterday while I was on the elliptical, I played a side of "Let it Bleed" (Rolling Stones for all you youngins  with scratches pops and all (must have been one of my wife's LOL) |
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Post by mahdes on May 18, 2020 22:57:39 GMT
I too agree that there are factors besides audio fidelity that keep vinyl alive. (Nobody says that about 8 track or cassette tapes!) I have my old turntable set up but I rarely put a record on it...but just yesterday while I was on the elliptical, I played a side of "Let it Bleed" (Rolling Stones for all you youngins with scratches pops and all (must have been one of my wife's LOL) Exactly! I was just surprised how much audiophilish bullshit is out there about high quality sound of the vinyl when clearly it is far from it. |
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Post by Ethan Winer on May 19, 2020 14:50:14 GMT
(Nobody says that about 8 track or cassette tapes!) This quote is from my Audio Expert book: It's amazing to me that nobody ever complained about analog recording like they do about digital recording. I'm doing a project right now completely in Pro Tools 24 bit / 48 KHz. The musicians were great, everything sounds great, so that's all I care about. The TDM bus doesn't sound thin to me. What is a thin TDM bus supposed to sound like? I've done a dozen albums completely in Pro Tools, including three Grammy-winning Bela Fleck albums. —Roger Nichols, famous recording engineer and an early proponent of digital recording |
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Post by mahdes on May 19, 2020 17:37:36 GMT
What do you guys think about this statement? It's too nerdy for me to understand.
"Vinyl when cut off analogue (stereofeed off tape or a console or two preamps) KILLS PCM in many aspects. Lacquer cut from analogue source with no DDL can sound better than any PCM not counting DXD. But then there is no sense to cut DXD/DSD source to vinyl except for some "I am on vinyl" feeling. I probably will do it. Files somehow are not history. Pressed artifacts are. Do yourself a favor, get a tape machine or DSD recorder, feed it with a stereopair of your preferable source, be it a band, a water tap with a mechanical alarm clock, or voices of your beloveds. Compare it with whatever AD-DA in PCM of your converters at hand and report back. Vinyl when cut off analogue (stereofeed off tape or a console or two preamps) KILLS PCM in many aspects.
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Post by Ethan Winer on May 20, 2020 17:59:43 GMT
That's just nonsense. Now, "sounds better" is subjective. So if someone prefers a non-flat response with crackle noises and audible levels of distortion that's their right and preference. But vinyl is much worse than even inexpensive consumer level digital equipment in every way fidelity can possibly be defined. This is about "high fidelity," right?
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Post by mahdes on May 20, 2020 19:33:53 GMT
Exactly! I agree, It's just hard to argue with vinyl hipsters.
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Post by jamesgasson on May 24, 2020 11:16:55 GMT
“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.“
— G.K. Chesterton
The religious impulse manifests everywhere, not least in the heralding of vinyl as a sacred artifact.
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Post by macc on May 29, 2020 23:09:28 GMT
I have a modest vinyl collection and a good TT/cartridge, as well as a bunch of CD’s (not SACD) with a decent player. Some of the records go back to the early 1960’s. Many of them amaze me to this day and I get lots of enjoyment from them. But, some of the CD music is just as much fun. A few of the artists I have on both formats and both sound wonderful. It’s not about vinyl vs. digital; it’s about listening for the fun of it.
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with scratches pops and all (must have been one of my wife's LOL) 