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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 15:14:01 GMT
Well, that big quite wide null explains "lack of bass". How farth apart your speakers are and how far you sit from them ?
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Post by jared on Aug 19, 2020 16:16:59 GMT
I have now placed them 67.5 inches apart and also 67.5 inches away from me (apparently according to Barry Rudolph this is the best measurement). I have also increased their height. No difference. I did add some pillows on the table which took about some of the 400-600hz reflections, but the 120hz and below frequencies havent been changed.
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Post by Hexspa on Aug 19, 2020 16:53:46 GMT
Probably for two reasons: your desk isn't the cause of 120Hz buildup and, even if it was, pillows are probably too small and/or not the right material to make a difference. You have to find the wavelength then factor it into room dimensions.
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Post by jared on Aug 19, 2020 17:12:20 GMT
What part don't you understand? You have a 6dB peak at about 120Hz which itself is not a huge deal. The thing I'd be concerned about is the strong ringing you have at 100Hz.
If you can tell me specifically which step of the process I outlined is unclear, I'd appreciate it. I just don't understand which part of "convert frequency to wavelength" then "multiply that dimension in centimeters by 1, 0.5, and 2" is unclear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 18:52:02 GMT
I have now placed them 67.5 inches apart and also 67.5 inches away from me (apparently according to Barry Rudolph this is the best measurement). I have also increased their height. No difference. I did add some pillows on the table which took about some of the 400-600hz reflections, but the 120hz and below frequencies havent been changed. Have you positioned your speakers according to Carl Tatz? Or is it just coincidence it's exactly 67.5" as his placement suggests. The triangle should point about 8-20inch behind your head. Your ears aren't located where your eyeballs are
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Post by jared on Aug 19, 2020 19:36:08 GMT
I dont know about Carl Tatz. All I did was make sure the distance between the 2 speakers and my head made an equilateral triangle that is 67.5" for each side. I have the speakers pointed passing my ears to the 8-20" point behind me.
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Post by jared on Aug 19, 2020 20:40:05 GMT
I have been shuffling around the studio for the past hour; 1. Changing the monitors distance from one another and their height 2. Placing monitors closer and further from the walls. 3. Changing my listening position 4. Removing clutter from the room 5. Removing stuff off the desk, adding cushions on the desk, removing my computer screen.
I unfortunately havent seen any improvement with adjusting the studio setup.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 5:56:20 GMT
Can you build / buy more bass traps? I would probably do that next and place them on the rear floor/wall "corner" and front wall/floor "corner" !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 6:02:19 GMT
Are your speakers right against the front wall, its quite hard to see that from your pictures. If they're not i suggest pushing them as close to the front wall as possible to minimize front wall SBIR(lift it high enough that your shallow panels can do something to it.)
From the pictures they seem to be quite close, but are they really against the front wall ?
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Post by jared on Aug 20, 2020 7:44:42 GMT
1. For sure i can get more bass traps made. how thick will they need to be to take care of these frequencies?
2. Why out of interest is the front wall/floor and back wall floor "corners" the problem areas for these frequencies? I want to understand this properly before investing more money in bass traps.
3. ill try putting the speakers as close to the wall as possible. As these speakers are "side ported", will both side ports need to directly face the treatment so the treatment absorb them directly? Or is it good enough that there is just treatment in the vicinity of the speakerl? In other words, do I have to strategically place these front wall panels to line up with the speakers?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 8:16:58 GMT
1. For sure i can get more bass traps made. how thick will they need to be to take care of these frequencies? 2. Why out of interest is the front wall/floor and back wall floor "corners" the problem areas for these frequencies? I want to understand this properly before investing more money in bass traps. 3. ill try putting the speakers as close to the wall as possible. As these speakers are "side ported", will both side ports need to directly face the treatment so the treatment absorb them directly? Or is it good enough that there is just treatment in the vicinity of the speakerl? In other words, do I have to strategically place these front wall panels to line up with the speakers? 1. They need to be really thick, if you go with broadband, i would go as thick as you practically can. 2. For convenience, easy to put quite huge traps there. 3. I don't think its vital, the lower freq range leaves the speaker omni directional hitting anywhere anyways.
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Post by jared on Aug 20, 2020 9:59:03 GMT
thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 10:14:28 GMT
Could the "phasey" sound be just those speakers? I haven't heard anything from Focal Shape range unfortunately.
If you wan't to get more realiable measurements of mid and high frequency range, you need to buy a cheap measurement microphone; Behringer ECM8000, Dayton Audio EMM-6, Superlux ECM 888 B(These all are about 50usd) or little more expensive Beyerdynamic MM1.
Of course if you want to invest in Earthworks mic(s), they work really good as a neutral recording microphone also. They have low enough self noise to be used as recording mikes.
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Post by jared on Aug 20, 2020 11:44:55 GMT
Thanks for the recommendations. Def not the speakers. I have tried other speakers in the room also with the same issue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 12:52:56 GMT
Maybe the SPL meter didn't quite do accurate ETC measurument. So if you can get your hands on "real" measurement microphone and take new measurements, I can analyze them and see if theres something funny happening.
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