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Post by boyd on Nov 8, 2021 17:12:14 GMT
Hi everyone,
Thanks for letting me in on the forum. I've been able to learn a lot so far!
I'm building some acoustic panels to help treat my room where I mostly record acoustic instruments and singing and then mix them as well (mostly bluegrass music). I've had the most trouble (before treatment) with bass. Last week I purchased 18 panels of 2x4 Johns Manville 814 3# (OC703 equiv). I cut all the frames for building all the different panels.
Because of how I want to arrange things aesthetically, I'm building 15 panels that are 2" thick and 16" wide (to match up with my studs in the wall). That leaves me enough fiberglass boards to build 4 panels that are 4" thick of fiberglass. Two of these I plan to place in the front corners of the room as bass traps. The other two I plan to place on the ceiling directly above my desk which is against the wall.
Because all of these panels have FRK on one side (that's all I could find locally), I believe I should remove the FRK on most of my 16" wide panels if not all. But, for my two corner bass traps, I'm wondering if I should leave the FRK on facing the room on the outer-most panel ... or because it is such a small room, remove the FRK?
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Post by Hexspa on Nov 9, 2021 13:19:09 GMT
Hi boyd. Glad you want to treat your space.
Whereabouts is 'locally'? I'm in the market for some rigid insulation and would like to compare vendors. Do you mind sharing the cost per square foot and at what thickness?
Bass is on the difficult end of the acoustic treatment spectrum. You need a lot of insulation to treat bass. How much depends but 8"-thick rigid like you have should be pretty effective down to 63Hz.
By '3#', I assume you mean JM 813 which, at 125Hz with 2" thickness, will only absorb at a 0.08 rating. That's practically nothing. Above 1kHz, you'll be golden but even acoustic guitar in standard tuning goes to 83Hz.
While you are right to consider aesthetics, making the panels smaller will further reduce your surface area coverage unless you compensate with more panels. If this is a mixed-use room, you mentioned recording and mixing, then you will certainly want ample coverage. Besides a reflection-free mixing zone, you also need to have spaced panels like you're planning to deal with flutter echo and ringing.
The greatest improvement you can make to your plan is to reconsider the 2" thickness and think about something thicker. 4" for rigid or 1' for fluffy has been what people with experience recommend as a minimum. Four 4" panels is a good start for low end but eight 4" thick or even sixteen 8" thick will give you a better result.
While this might seem excessive for a small room, the opposite is true: small rooms need just about as much as a slightly larger room. The natural resonance of the room, it would be misguided to consider it 'ambience', will doubtlessly imbed an undesirable and virtually irremovable tone into your recordings. Your goal is best set on making the room 'neutral'; neither adding or subtracting from the qualities of your source. In other words, not so 'live' that you hear a boxy ring and not so damped that your high frequencies are disproportionately dampened. The latter is certainly not a realistic concern for most people's efforts; few go that far.
FRK can remain on panels which don't serve to absorb non-bass frequencies. In other words, having FRK on corner panels is ok but probably less useful in your reflection zones.
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Post by boyd on Nov 9, 2021 16:03:02 GMT
Thanks for the reply and the thoughts. Locally is SLC, UT. It is JM 814 FSK @ 3#. It was $2.73/sqft before tax ($21.85 per 2x4 panel). I will have to experiment to see what I can come up with. I have 18 2x4 pieces of the board in total. Maybe I can take the built panels I've made and double them up to make them thicker. I realized that splitting the panels into 16" wide pieces was gonna be a bit too much work and also not quite fit my space the right way. So right now I have: 2x 4" thick 2x4 panels for the corners 2x 4" thick 2x4 panels for the ceiling directly above my desk 8x 2" thick 2x4 panels for walls (and a couple on the ceiling) 3x 2" thick 16" x 4' panels for walls and ceiling
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Post by boyd on Nov 9, 2021 23:18:45 GMT
Oh, also, if I'm reading the JM 814 spec sheet properly, it looks like 2" of 814 absorbs 0.24 @ 125Hz. The 1" 813 is the one with the 0.08 rating.
I haven't put the fabric on these boxes yet and also don't have them permanently mounted in my room. I did put two 4" thick ones in the corners (so there's a total of 8" (with a small 0.5" gap in between because of my frame) and it does cut down more of the bass issue, for sure. I may have to re-think how I do this. Maybe I'll turn those into 8" thick bass by fastening them together. Originally I planned to hang two of the 4" thick panels above on the ceiling with a decent air gap, but maybe those on the ceiling will now be the 2" thick ones with a good air gap.
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Post by Hexspa on Nov 10, 2021 7:20:38 GMT
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Post by boyd on Nov 14, 2021 4:17:49 GMT
I finished building and installing this round of panels. I ended up with 15 of them. Four of them are bass traps for the corners, 3 on the ceiling, and the rest on the walls. On the side of my room that has a closet I have two panels that I'm gonna have to build stands for so I can easily move them as needed. I don't have a reference mic, but the room definitely sounds better. I don't think I've perfectly trapped all the bass, but I'll have to experiment with recording techniques and positions in the room with my guitar and bass (which were the two instruments causing issues) and see how it goes. I'd show a picture but I haven't yet figured out how to do that on here.
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Post by boyd on Nov 14, 2021 4:25:25 GMT
Ok, hopefully these attachments work. I've actually got one bass trap and two panels that I need to build stands for. The bass trap on the floor I put in front of the door and it definitely helps keep trap more bass from that area of the room from bleeding back to my listening position. Attachments:
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Post by Hexspa on Nov 14, 2021 21:14:35 GMT
That's commitment! 'Perfectly trapping the bass' is what most of us are chasing. Don't be surprised if it requires a doubling in panels. The good news is that everything above 100Hz is probably working pretty well. Even below that frequency will be measurably improved as it is.
That effort will pay years of dividends. Enjoy it!
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