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Post by skandinav on Jan 29, 2024 16:51:02 GMT
Mr. Winer and many others claim that in spite of people's complains about lack of high harmonics in chinese mics it's the small room less than 100m2 which creates lack of highs due to comb filtering. I agree that that premembrane comb filtering is severe... BUT. .. if you record very close like 5cm away from strings and that crap happens it alreay becomes quite suspicious why strong direct sound is killed in highs by reflected sound in a well deadened damped room. Evidently it's those cheap takstar or similar chinese mics that destroy high harmonics. Whatever place/spot you chose in a room for recording the result is always the same: tinny sound like from empty beer can. I insist on the point that globalists who decided to start lowering life level in the world in 2002 have been manufacturing crappy mics deliberately. I remember us recording via pc plastic electret mic in 1999 on win98 and it was very clear and rich in highs and airy. But these chinese mics record only noise and transients in highs. I have made a poll, so vote and we will see if my opinion coincides with that of others.
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Post by skandinav on Apr 7, 2024 13:47:35 GMT
And it's difficult to suppress those transients afterwards. If you do it sound becomes totally dark, if you do not do it sound is too harsh. To that matter measurement mics can capture high frequencies but they are too noisy... I have seen guys on diy forum. They buy some cheap electret capsules like in panasonic gs400 dvcam from 2005 and they swear by those capsules. I confirm that recordings made by such camera i owned that time are very close to natural real sound without exaggiration of transients or can like tinny tint.
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Post by skandinav on Apr 7, 2024 13:56:05 GMT
I recorded both instruments and a live concert by gs400 and it sounds damn close to reality... I suspect they have used smallest membranes like in measurement mics but noiseless ones. I mean investing into used gs400 would be better than into mics like octava 319 (which i owned some day) or similar ones or perhaps even rode nt1a not to mention totally crappy chinese bm800 and takstar crap. Why do they do crap? I wish i had not lost gs400 one unlucky day.
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Post by Hexspa on Apr 13, 2024 8:41:44 GMT
I think it's important to remember that a lot of the reason that cheap things are made in China has to do with greed. Companies who are not based in China, like Shure and sE Electronics manufacture there but are generally not associated with producing cheap products. sE Electronics maybe more than Shure but they make the RNT there, afaik, which is a microphone made in collaboration with Rupert Neve that I think sounds pretty good. It's also not cheap. Actually sE Electronics is based in China now apparently but was originally founded in California.
So there you go: it has to do with the capitalists who outsource for reduced labor costs then push material costs further down by using poor designs.
Let's keep the discussion to the quality of circuits and components or market forces and minimize emphasis on country of origin.
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Post by skandinav on Apr 18, 2024 0:35:36 GMT
The idea is that marketing fools people. They are likely to think that a dedicated mic with classical design like bm800 or takstar or with large diaphragm are better than some small built-in mics like in panas gs400. Probably it's a matrix thing, not cost of materials that rules last 30 years or so. Like "ai" for example hides names of handy books like Audio Expert for example. Those mentioned capsules are cheap too but are superb. To crown it all it's hard to find info where and what to buy to get pro sound at low budget. I hope my info will help someone to avoid mistakes. As for discussing designs i am not an electrical engineer or acoustics expert to lead such a conversation but i can note that nowadays super designs of the past like membrane in the sphere (m50) or glass membrane are no longer manufactured. I suspect that cheap mics besides noise do comb filtering in highs. You won't see it in fft analyzer as resonances are closely positioned but it's there as tinny sound. Steinberg spectralizer from 1998-2000, noise reduction and cunning equing helps to somehow make those cheap mics useable. If you know any low budget pro quality mics and noiseless preamps with +60db let us know as digital recording requires less noisy mics by 10db self-noise than those which were ok 30 years ago for tape recording. Especially i am interested in those supressing transients well with good capture or even boost of highs.
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Post by Hexspa on Apr 18, 2024 14:55:19 GMT
You can go to audio test kitchen (dot com) and listen to hundreds of mics. They let you filter by cost, brand, and other options. I particularly like the Shure KSM range but the Audio Technica stuff is good too, just a different voicing. None if it is that expensive. If it's out of your budget, simply buy used. With a little patience, I've been able to get discounts of around 50% on premium items. There's absolutely no need to dip into the cheapest, cost-cut items if you follow these steps.
It's important to remember that the price of something is what the seller hopes to get, not necessarily the minimum that they (or someone with something similar) will accept. By no means am I saying be cheap and always play hardball but let's just say you can save money if you want to.
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